Greetings from a Curious Religious Man

I shall pray it goes well for you.
I have not been blessed with many options so far.

I have a few Catholic female friends who prefer anal sex. Their view is that they want to maintain their virginity until their wedding night!!

Yes I believe that is somewhat common amongst Catholics, unfortunately in the original Hebrew of the Old Testament God says the backdoor is a place of intercourse, so it does not count as a loophole to maintain virginity, haha.

I have a few female protestant friends who also enjoy it but are all married or otherwise unavailable, but at least it is encouraging to know such people exist. I am starting to believe it is a lot more common amongst Christians than most people might initially believe.

It is nice to meet you Abbi.

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I know for a fact, muslim girls use anal to stay virgin till marriage.

Even from teenage on they have anal and oral sex - some quite a lot - but claim virginity at the day of marriage.

The soutern of Italy is very catholic too. They have the tradition of virginity being taken in de weddingnight too. So those girls also use oral and anal to technically stay virgin.

I guess it’s a grey zone :wink:

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I’m a devout atheist so I have no religious hang ups. I just know what I like and gives me pleasure

It is always good to be self-aware.

There seem to be a lot of atheists here, I was recommended this forum because I was told there were a lot of religious people here, but I have no found many so far, haha. I shall stick around though, it seems friendly.

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Somewhere on this forum. there’s a discussion about religion and sex. But I wouldn’t say there are many religious people here. Just a big bunch of tollerate people.

We are all united in our preference for anal sex over vaginal. But we will never even judge anyone who loves vaginal sex.

I wouldn’t be so sure of that. There are plenty of religious people here, even if their religion shuns anal sex. If God didn’t want people to have anal sex, why did he make it so fucking pleasurable?

There is also a middle ground between atheist and devoutly religious. There are theists (like me) who believe in some higher power or being. If someone can explain the creation and existence of the universe in simple terms a non-astrophysicist can understand, I’ll be shocked. However, I don’t believe adherents to a particular religious sect are the lucky, chosen ones.

Some atheists and some radical sects of some religions effectively suspend morality for their own selfish interests. Religions that view women as property and atheists who view children as sexual objects are done to subvert morality.

Women viewed as property and children as sexual objects are particularly disturbing to me. Atheists, theists, and the devoutly religious should shun these disgusting, warped beliefs. We are seeing a growing acceptance of violence and destruction of property among people who suspend morality to feed their own selfish desires and hatred. I don’t care if they’re religious or non-believers. I hope reasonable people of all stripes reject this.

Wow, I didn’t mention anal once in this post!

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I do like it when you reply to me, you have such interesting points of view.

Thank you, I shall meet them.

I certainly believe that God made it pleasurable so that it could be enjoyed in the right place and time.

As someone teaching himself a maths degree, I do like the argument from mathematics in the universe for the existence of God, and thus how he brought it to order. Although there are many other arguments from the existence of the universe about what likely made it (God, obviously)

I would agree that they do reject objective morality, but I am not sure I could agree with the word “suspend” as they of course do not see it that way. From their incorrect perspectives, they think what they are doing is right. I think you can only “suspend” morality if you know what is right and deliberately chose to do the opposite.

Yes, I agree both a evil, both from my subjective feelings and from the Bible - which is convenient, haha.

I would say shunning can have drawbacks, and so I think promoting better ideologies to fill any moral vacuums is often more better for brining about change, however I do agree that they are evil and should be stopped.

Yes we are seeing an increase in such bad behaviour, especially in the west where Christianity is declining. Christianity is what brought about the west’s pro-social behaviours over the past 2 thousand years, and we cannot expect the same ideals of morality to stick around without the foundation of the belief system to hold it up.

Technically you did at the beginning, but you are right, for the rest you did not, and nor did I, haha. (Except now)

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@Colt1911 are there atheists who see women as property and children as sexual object ?

To me that seems more like the ways in some cultures that use their religion to get away with such social behavior. And those cultures are always based on local religion.

There are cultures where local religion allows old men to “marry” a 10 year old girl, solely for sexual purposes. And when they are done they “divorse” the girl. These girls often “marry” several times and get very emotinally damaged. The parents, by the way, sell those daughters in that religion/culture. It’s religion driven child prostitution.

Never known of atheist doing such things, tbh.

Unfortunately, there are some (some being the operative word) atheists who decide what their morality is. As you point out, there are also religious people who stray from their codes of conduct.

Fortunately, I believe the common sense opinion of a vast majority of people is that both are very wrong.

I’m an atheist and I’m nobody’s property. The only thing of mine that my boyfriend has exclusively is my heart. Religion has brought a lot of comfort for some however it has also caused so much death and distress in the world.

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Actually the three biggest atheist tyrants have killed more people than every religious war in history combined.

Despite what is commonly believed, most bloodshed in history is political, nor religious. (Unless we are talking about warmongering religions, obviously)

The catholic church has been involved in most of histories wars. Mostly as advisor for the aggressor. Bit they switched sides in an instant to safe themselves.

Women who were labeled witches, because they understood the healing power of herbs, were trown into the dungeons of cathedrals, raped by men of god and then finished on the fire stake.

Crusades were personal wars against people lf different religions. Because the catholic church had decided that only chritianity was right.

The catholic church forced native Africans into fearing a god that wasn’t even their own. The church is still responsible for most of the poverty in Afrika.

The Maya’s have been whiped out of existence because the catholic church gave the Spanish concurers the right to kill anyone who wasn’t a christian.

To me, the catholic church is by far the biggest evil mankind has ever known. Much worse then islam.

The Catholic Church is also a political entity, if they supported a war because it would give them more land, it has nothing to do with their religion. You would need to produce statistics that state how many wars they were involved were actually declared for religious reasons. I can produce such statistics in my favour.

Witch trials are massively overblown in modern times; in reality they were not very common and were usually used as a way to get rid of the highly unpleasant women in small populations. I am not saying this is right, but again you cannot pin this on Christianity as the Bible never says to do this.

The Crusades were launched in response to Muslims invading the following countries:

  • Christian Syria (7th century)
  • Christian Jordan (7th century)
  • Christian Palestine (7th century)
  • Christian Egypt (640-642 AD)
  • Christian Algeria (7th century)
  • Christian Libya (7th century)
  • Christian Morocco (7th century)
  • Christian Portugal (8th century)
  • Christian Spain (8th century)
  • Christian France (732 AD)
  • Christian Sicily (9th century)
  • Christian turkey (1071 AD)
  • Christian Armenia (7th century)
  • Christian Italy (9th century)

What were the Christian nations supposed to do? Just let the Muslims continue to attack, kill and enslave their fellow believers?

Christianity was in Africa before it was in Europe. A lot of Africa’s modern day poverty is down to it geography, it has very few rivers that lead to the sea compared to Europe which made building transport infrastructure very difficult until modern times. More still is due to the political exploitation of Africa, not religious. The Ethiopian Church is one of the oldest Christian Churches being officially founded around the 4th century but that was after Christianity was brought to it in the 1st.

A lot of the actions of the colonisers where horrible, and I will denounce all of them, however a lot of their actions are also either taken out of context or just not reported properly at all. I have tried to look up your claim that the Catholic Church gave the Spanish conquerors the right to kill anyone who was not Christian but could not find any evidence for it, so please would you give a source?

Go and live in a country that has been Islamic for most of its history and see if you still can maintain that belief.

I am sorry but a lot of what you seem to believe about the Catholic Church is either overblown or just not true, and I do not even agree with the Catholic Church. Have there been periods were it was massively corrupt? Absolutely? Was it ever as bad as Islam? Not even slightly. More wars have been waged in the name of Islam than in the names of every other religion combined.

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I believe what @ProblemTalk was referring to are the biggest political mass murderers in human history. Mao tops the list with 40 million killed. Hitler killed 11 million with Stalin coming in a close third place with 9 million dead.

Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge killed 3 million. Fidel Castro is a mere piker with “only” 18,000 murdered.

Numbers killed during the crusades are more difficult to pin down. Experts believe it was just under 2 million people. This may be due to the lack of “killing power”, although Mao intentionally starved about 30 million of his own citizens to death. The other tyrants accomplished their reign of death using bullets and poison gas.

There are evil human beings of all stripes, races, and ideologies. The totalitarian regimes in China, USSR, Cambodia, and WWII Germany had the least respect for human life and decency.

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And I thought this forum was about anal sex :sweat_smile:
Shouldn’t discussions like this one be at the “Off-topic” session?

I dunno if he can post in off topic yet.

Greetings! Fellow Christian, certainly devout, but Baptist. We generally don’t consider anal and when it’s brought up, it’s hinted at as taboo. I haven’t let that bother me though. I was raised thinking syncopation, alcohol, women preachers and deacons, and shorts above the knee were also taboo. I have since learned better.

There are a handful of us on here, some more active than others. Regardless of religious persuasion though, I’ve found discussions to be very interesting and friendly. And it’s not a half bad place to bounce around ideas.

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If you read the whole exchange, off-topic was suggested already, but since the discussion started here and is comparetively contained in this intro post, I felt it was okay to happen here.

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Often overlooked are the terrible things Japan did to Chinese citizens during WW2. The estimates go from 10 to 20 million victims. And there was at least one camp as well, where Japanese doctors experimented on Chinese citizens.

This happened in part due to Japan taking German society as a role model when modernizing their country, even before the Nazis rose to power (which, of course, made it that much worse when they did).

As far as religion or atheism being worse, that’s a tough nut to crack. Like Colt pointed out, industrial societies are much better at killing in large numbers than pre-industrial societies.

Does religion help against genocides? Hard to say. Most religious people I’ve spoken with about this say yes, and when presented with movements like the German Christians that claimed Hitler was the returned Jesus, they’ll say only true faith will prevent atrocities. Kinda hard to figure out the true faith, though …