I was recommended this forum by someone in the lifestyle discord.
I have never been interested in the front door since I was young as I was affected by purity culture and developed the idea in my head that it is bad. Since I first leant about the back door, I have know that it would be what I much prefer. I have only ever met a few fellow people of faith who shared my views, but I was told on the discord that there are apparently other religious people here, so I am very much looking forward to meeting them.
I am in my mid-20s and from the UK. I am waiting for marriage, but do not worry, I have no plans on pushing my faith on anyone here or anything.
Hi, welcome to the forum!
Its good to hear about about your journey so far, most of us are kind and open to talk to so feel free to start a post or use the search function for any questions you may have.
Welcome to our forum. As a sensitive, devout atheist I can assure that this is quite a tolerant group. I hope you find what you’re looking for. If you have any questions there will be somebody here to help you find the answer.
Welcome to our group. The common thread here is our strong desire and preference for anal,
irrespective of our religious views. Personally, I’m a theist, but not part of any specific church or religion.
I can’t accept any religion that condemns behaviors that don’t harm others. I’m a libertarian to the core. The only restrictions regarding sex are consent between two or more living, adult humans. If you want fuck a cantaloupe, you should have every right to do so, but please don’t serve it to your guests. No go on fucking goats, dogs, giraffes, or the deceased because they can’t provide consent.
This is a great place to discuss anal and provide help to others seeking to experience the enormous pleasure anal offers. Welcome!
I am certainly not a libertarian (in the general sense) as I do not believe you can correlate negative freedom with morality, however I certainly respect your right to make that conclusion. You seem to have a lot of interesting views and I would love to learn more about how you think if you are up for a private discussion. If not, I am sure I shall see you around the forum.
I’ll let one of the mods chime in, but the ability of a new member to PM others in this group is granted after a period of time. In the past, some new members used the forum and PM feature for hook ups.
I’m not sure I understand what “negative freedoms” involve, but I never judge others’ morality. While I have never and will never cheat on my wife, should we judge a man or woman who has an affair because their spouse refuses to engage in sexual relations?
Also, if a man fathers a child, I believe he has a financial obligation to provide support to his child and woman he impregnated. That’s not morality, that’s just common sense responsibility. From a libertarian perspective, he’s harming a woman and child by walking away from actions that impacted others.
Not sure if that helps clarify my views and perspective as a lifelong libertarian.
I am waiting for marriage so I have no interest in messaging people for one-night stands. I am very boring and want to take things nice and slowly, haha.
Negative, and Positive freedom are terms used in political philosophy. Simply put, negative freedom is the freedom to do whatever you want without restraint, be it good or bad. Positive freedom is the freedom to pursue virtue and your own potential but not to peruse things that would detract from virtue. (I am a virtue ethicist if you cannot tell, haha) I think that freedom can go to far in some cases and result in the harm of society and the individual. But I am an avid defender of freedom of speech.
As for your questions.
I do believe in judging other people’s morality as I believe that morality is objective. So if someone thinks that stealing or killing is all right, I am going to disagree.
I do not however believe in judging people, just actions. So the man who cheats on his wife has done a bad thing and justice needs to be done, but I would not condemn him as a bad person. (I would also say his wife denying him is also wrong unless she has a good reason)
I would say that the man has an obligation to provide support for the child, whether that is financial or some other kind should be decided on a case by case basis.
I would be interested to learn where you would draw the line on the man’s freedom in this scenario. Clearly you believe he does not have the liberty to walk away from his responsibility and duty to his child and the mother; yet you believe it is to do with common sense rather than with morality - so would you say that it is illogical but not immoral for him to refuse to offer support?
Feel free to discuss any and all religious or libertarian views in the forum proper, no need for DMs. If it’s not linked to sexuality, Off Topic would probably be best for that, otherwise, General is your friend, or Share . Or just continue on here, that’s fine as well.
As for DMs in general: We try to dissuade people from using DMs. Basically all places that deal with matters of sexuality have the problem of female-read members being bombarded with DMs, often to absurd degrees. This often leads to those people feeling harassed and leaving. We’d like to avoid that.
Also, we would like to see this place grow into a repository of experiences and knowledge. For that, it’s best when discussions happen publicly; that way, a sense of community is also fostered. We all learn.
In any case, I hope this makes our position on DMs a bit clearer.
Thank you very much.
I know that some forums disallow discussions on religion, politics of philosophy so I was not sure if direct messages would be the appropriate thing here or not. Thank you for the confirmation.
Personally, I participate in this group to discuss anal experiences and help others achieve the same level of pleasure many of us enjoy. I’ve been part of this group for years, and at age 69 the original forum was my first active plunge into social media. I have all the social media accounts but don’t actively engage,
with the exception of one.
With the political polarization worldwide, discussions of that nature end up distracting from the primary reason this group exists. For me, finding common ground is much more rewarding than engaging in escalated political, religious, sociological debate. It makes me happy that I share that in common with all of you. The older one is, the more one realizes that time passes more quickly every year. It makes me appreciate the awesome, anal lovemaking session Mrs Colt and I enjoyed several hours ago.
Welcome Problem Talk to the group. As Abbi has shared we are a tolerant group. At 20 years of age, you have plenty of time & don’t be seduced by the gremlins in one’s head at that age of lost hope, or the world is crumbling in. When I was in my early 20’s I had a glimpse of that thinking before shaking it off.
You also have a lot of discovering about yourself and the world. I once was very religious, and not any more. An impediment to my sexual growth was religious BS. It took me many years & something for you to discover.
Well done for letting your curiosity get the better of you, to explore and joining this forum.
I have to add, from my point of view, I stopped believing in gid at age 13 and frankly never will understand why grown people think there actually is one entity looking over them.
So if you read this right, I’m not rejecting higher entities. I’m rejecting the interventional god many religions claim is theirs.
Just to clarify, I said mid-20s, not 20. I am already well established in my life compared to most people my age.
Was your discovery down to personal experience or outside data? As I have never had an personal experience, all I can go on is sociological, cultural and historical data on what seems to work the best for people on individual and collective basis. I do not know if that sort of thing interests you but I am a bit of a nerd for that kind of stuff, haha.
Well there are a few reasons that a lot of adults believe in God, a god or gods.
One major reason is that humans are naturally inclined to do so, all humans, including atheists. They did some interesting brain scans on atheists while asking them to cooperate with statements regarding the existence or God or defaming Him, and they found that their brains were opposed to the idea. (That is probably a complete butcher of the study, but I can look it up and give you the specific results if you are interested)
Now there are of course several reasons why humans might be naturally religious:
It is good for cultural cohesion as it keeps everyone believing similar things, leading to societal stability
Secular societies tend to have a great amount of trouble at keeping a positive birth rate, religious societies are much better at having lots of children
God does exist and wanted to give him creations a natural inclination towards him
It causes a lot of pro-social behaviours that are much harder to promote through political or other forms of beliefs.
I have never had any personal spiritual experiences of God or the supernatural beyond what can be detected by natural means. So I believe in God purely because I think given the evidence, He is the best explanation for the sum of what we know. I know however that a lot of people are not very interested in going over all the material evidence, so I shall not bombard you with it, but if you would like to know the reasons, why I personally believe I would be happy to share.
Religion is manmade to gather people into communities, so they are easier to exploit.
Shattered little groups of people are non controllable.
I am not an atheist, I simply see religion as the tool it’s meant to be. As so many I’ve had a religious upbringing. My mum is 85 and still a believer. At age 13 I simply understood some key factors:
The existence of god had never been proven
It’s impoosible to prove the existence of god
Religious people are not better people then non regilious people
Through religion, us children were manipulated into simply accepting thing because someone claimed it was true
A true intervening god would never allow - in his infinite goodness - children dying from cancer. To name one of many injustices.
My kids haven’t been baptized. They are truly free from religion. They are good people. Because our upbringing is what shaped them into whom they became.
I myself am a good person. I even never had a one night stand, because that doesn’t sit well with me. Had sex with 4 women in my life. I am 55. Never cheated, never demanded anything from them.
Meanwhile I saw more then a few religious men abuse their godfearing wife, while she was scared to leave cause in the sight of the community, he was an example.
This all being said. I respect your choice and will never try to talk you out of your belief.
(Tone is always hard to convey over text and I have been told before that often I can come across as harsher than I intend, to please read the things below in a light hearted and friendly tone. I am just interesting in discussing, not fighting haha.)
To me, what are are saying is far over generalised. You cannot lump every religion together and say they are produce the same effects because we know from sociological studies that that is not true. Even within religions different branches produced different effects on culture: Protestantism for example is known to be the ideology most associated with anti-corruption and historical rates of literacy - much more so than Catholicism or any other religion or secularism.
Any ideology can be used to control people, being free from religion does not protect you from that; political ideologies will take their place and start acting as semi-regulated quasi-religions to control the masses instead. Human societies cannot cope with ideological vacuums. Religions based on old texts are stable, pretty much every other ideology not based on something solid is not.
As for your points:
There is no such thing as absolute proof (except in Mathematics) so you should always go with what has the most evidence
Yes it is impossible, this point kind of makes your first point redundant
It depends how you quantify this. I would say no, but religious cultures do produce markedly higher pro-social qualities than secular ones. Even if I were not a Christian, I would still want to live in a Christian society (or one with a history of Christianity) as they do better. There is no point in being a Christian if you truly are a good person, Christianity is only for bad people.
This depends on the religion, but also extends to anything that a child is told without an in depth explanation into all related axioms
The problem of evil/suffering is an internal critique, meaning it only works if it contradicts what a particular religion says about evil and suffering and the nature of God or a god or gods. It does contradict some religions but not others. Examples of religions where suffering/evil is not treated as a contradiction include: Islam, Christianity, and the Ancient Greek and Roman religions. Buddhism and Christian Science (Who are neither Christian, nor scientists) could potentially be a examples of religions that deny suffering but they do it in a weird way so they are not the best examples.
How do you define a good person, what makes someone good? So because you have not cheated, you are therefore a good person? What bad things make you a bad person and what bad things do not? Telling a white lie? Pinching some snacks from the cupboard? Hating someone?
I certainly am not a good person, I do bad things all time; they may be small but they are still wrong. A man who picks a few pockets from time to time is not as bad as a serial killer but he is still just as much a criminal. This is why I am a Christian, because I know I am not perfect, but I desire to be and by God’s grace I can be one day through no action of my own, purely because he wants to.
Religious men abusing their wives is terrible, but you can find abusive people in every group. I could easy site cases on non-Christians, but I do not think using cherry picked examples are good evidence. General trends I think are the only reliable evidence for which groups are better, and there is a lot of evidence for Christian societies over others.
You spelt it: “mum”, are you also from the UK or maybe from one of the Australasian colonies?