At an inflection point -- Should I participate or lurk or quit?

I am at an inflection point as to whether to continue to participate in this forum, to just switch to being a lurker, or to quit.

For some reason I have been very troubled by something that has occurred, probably especially because the reactions that were communicated to me were so unexpected by me and so far from any intent that I had. I have taken several days to think about things. I thought I would get over it after several days, but that’s not happening easily.

I am that “a guy” (as I believe Mr. AOL described me) who apparently crossed a line in this forum in commenting to a woman in this forum – in response to some positive things she had written about herself, and which I admired – and she then blessed me out. And Mr. AOL, in a different thread, more recently expressed his shock at what I had written.

From my perspective, all of this is a very unfortunate colossal misunderstanding by others of my intent and meaning, COMBINED WITH my unchecked enthusiasm for the conversation but also with my naivety about what is okay to say or not okay to say, about whether this is a safe place to say things, etc.

The woman had written some things about herself that I found very attractive. My reaction apparently upset her greatly. My intent was as a light-hearted banter. It was not received that way by either the woman or Mr. AOL. My intent was absolutely NOT personally directed to the woman, though I can now understand that the words I used could be interpreted as being personally directed at her. After she described herself in a way that was attractive to me, I replied in the sense of I wish I had known such a person when I was younger. I said something to the effect of I wish I had known her (meaning THE RHETORICAL HER, i.e. somebody like her) when I was younger.

I am happily married. I am not AT ALL looking for relationship of any sort. I absolutely did not intend to suggest anything of the sort. Yet, apparently at least two people interpreted it differently, thus there was obvious room for me to use different words.

I feel like – because of my own poorly chosen words – I stepped on a “land mine”. I was initially completely shocked at the response; at how my words had been received.

Knowing what MY intent was, I don’t think I did anything “wrong”. However, I can absolutely now see that it was possible for at least TWO people to interpret my words in a different way and to think that my intent was completely different than it was.

I take responsibility for what I wrote. I know that there was no inappropriate intent. But I now see I could have a) either not said anything, i.e. not engaged; or b) chosen my words more carefully and more generically; and/or c) considered that others have their own sensitivities which I may not be aware of, thus it is best to not address others directly, but instead to speak in generic terms (such as “when I was younger, I wish I had known somebody similar to how you have described yourself”).

Due to my history and baggage, I really don’t like a) putting myself in a situation where I could be easily misunderstood; b) having to be super-careful in every word choice. But in online situations, where none of us REALLY know each other, is apparently an absolute necessity for people who CARE. (In the broad context of the online world it seems that very few people really care what they say or how it is received. I DO CARE. And that is one reason that I rarely have participated in social media.)

There has recently been conversation on this forum about increasing the engagement level of forum members. Now I find myself asking if I want to take on the stress of worrying if what I say in this space (i.e. my engagement) will be misinterpreted and be the cause of distress for others.

I feel I need to mention some things about myself that relate to my being so taken aback by the negative reactions that were communicated to me or about me. Though I now look like a typical “privileged white man” (and yes, I am certainly the beneficiary of systemic privilege), I am not what the stereotypes might suggest. I grew up in an extremely liberal community. I was fully onboard with “womens liberation” and the “ERA” back when those were relatively new concepts for some men. I participated in groups in which men explored their …gasp… feelings. I had gay and lesbian friends before the other letters were added to L and G. Though I am straight, my favorite watering hole was a gay bar. I knew trans people, including in my extended family by marriage. Everybody loved everybody, everybody was “okay”, everybody was “free to be”. I am still all that person, though I now live in another part of the country where things are very different. My point is that I feel that because I am NOT the kind of person a couple people got the impression I am, I failed myself (and them) by communicating poorly and I thus offended (apparently deeply) somebody who I was admiring (based on her own description of herself). My point is also that at this stage in my life – feeling incredibly stressed by all the terrible things that are happening in my country – I am exhausted by having to be sooooo careful with my words. (Not only do I have to keep my mouth shut in my professional life if I want to continue to earn my chosen living – I spoke up a few years ago about some terrible things that were happening and thus I lost a lot of customers to the point I could have been put out of business – but I also have to be concerned about the very real possibility of physical attack in my part of the country. The sound of assault rifles can be heard nearly every day in the rural area in which I live.) If this forum is not a place where I can feel safe in conversation about AOL subjects, then I need to either just lurk or quit.

Thank you for allowing me to speak my mind. Whatever happens going forward, “AOL forever”!

This isn’t the first worldwide online forum I’ve participated in, so it’s easy to see the same pattern happening here. There is always a problem when you mix different cultures and generations, speaking in a language that is often not their native tongue. I remember a woman who got very angry once because another guy simply changed her pronoun, mistakenly referring her as him. “I’ve never felt so offended”, she replied. And this happened thirty years ago, when there weren’t so many letters between L and G. So, unfortunately, you really need to be careful with words if you don’t want to be misunderstood.

That said, I really think Mr. AOL used your case just as an example in another discussion, and not as a personal accusation. Even the offended girl forgave you after you apologized, so, it’s okay. Move on, let’s enjoy life, there’s no need to overthink on this.

If you don’t mind me asking, what country or area of a country are you located?

In addition to having users from all over the world, this forum also seems to have a pretty broad age range. What’s acceptable changes over time. But I just feel like as long as we try to be respectful, apologize when things don’t go as we intended, and give each other grace afterwards, that’s all we can really hope for.

I think some of the replies before mine already explained the situation well, but I still want to respond directly.

I didn’t name you on purpose in the other thread because it truly wasn’t about you as a person. I’m sorry I used your sentence as an example, it wasn’t meant as anything personal. It was simply something recent that illustrated the kind of misunderstanding we were discussing.

When we address other people directly, especially people we don’t yet know, it can affect them more than we expect. Just like in real life, it takes time to get to know someone’s boundaries and sense of humor. Online it’s even harder, because we only see text, no tone of voice, no facial expression, no context, and when you add age and cultural differences misunderstandings become very easy.

I also want to say openly: the recurring theme that our rules (or mods) may feel too strict does not make me happy. I really don’t want this place to become overly rigid or “walk-on-eggshells” where nobody can speak freely. Open discussion is absolutely welcome here. But there is an important distinction between speaking openly about yourself and directing comments toward another person. Freedom of expression and consideration for the person you’re speaking to have to exist together.

In this case, this isn’t something I invented or exaggerated, she told you herself that the comment made her uncomfortable. What matters to me is what happened next: you clarified, you reflected, you took responsibility, and the situation cooled down. From a community perspective, that’s actually a good outcome, not a failure.

Nobody here is labeling you or putting you on trial. Missteps happen in human conversation, especially in mixed, international online spaces. What defines a member is how they respond afterward, and you responded thoughtfully.

I genuinely hope you stay and continue participating.

My two cents here are that your enthusiastic response to her was understanable and I saw it’s meaning.

But she has told us since then she’s been on other boards where men really crossed a line. So she got “verbal” and simply told you she didn’t like that. Your reaction was on point and - believe me - after that no one considered you a jerk.